Black Cat Chat: Brett Lee on Sheds, EPC wins and building a Liverpool hub In this episode, And Clow sat down with the Director & Liverpool Lead Brett Lea to discuss his passion for buildings and Black Cat.

From bonfire-night inspiration to leading our Liverpool office, Brett Lee shares how a teenage site visit set him on the path to building surveying. We cover why he is a self-confessed shed geek, how yard depth and clockwise yards shape real-world logistics, and why he earned an HGV licence to pressure-test designs.

Brett unpacks practical decarbonisation moves that push industrial assets to EPC A without bloating CapEx, plus the autonomy-first, director-led model at Black Cat that keeps teams motivated and clients covered.

We also talk Liverpool’s growing market, national client work, training the next generation, and running a £300k job with the discipline of a £20m scheme. If you care about industrial and logistics, this one is a must.